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Turbo owners always want more power and 996 Turbo owners have asked which is better betwen a 5 bar fuel pressure regulator vs. 60 or 80lb injectors on a 996tt.
Sure, a 5 bar fpr is a quick drop in, and should gain about 15% in fuel flow and power, but there’s a few hidden issues that shouldn’t be overlooked!The most prominent issue is the factory 996 turbo fuel pump that has a hidden little surprise! The OEM fuel pump in the 996 turbo has a 6 bar over-pressure protection feature built into it as do the first gen Walbro 450s and many other popular pumps. When you exceed that, it opens up this port and bleeds the excess pressure back into the tank robbing your engine of that power increase you’re after. That’s fine, you say, since we’re only running 5 bar fuel pressure, right? Well, no. Since these regulators operate on a 1 to 1 ratio with fuel pressure to maintain a constant pressure drop across the fuel injectors, your fuel pressure will raise and lower according to the intake manifold pressure or vacuum. Running stock boost or 0.8 bar would raise the 5 bar static pressure up to 5.8 bar. Running 1.0 bar would hit 6 bar and be right at the protection of the pump and 1.2 bar of boost would try to make 6.2 bar of fuel pressure! But with the bleed off happening at 6 bar you’ll get stuck there and any extra fuel demand will simply bleed back into the tank. Now if you ran 3.8 bar base which the stock fpr runs, at 0.8 bar you’d be at 4.6 bar, while 1.0 would produce 4.8 bar and 1.2 bar of boost would be at 5 bar fuel pressure. Which is well under the 6 bar over pressure protection limit built into the stock pump. So, what was initially a 15% gain using the math of SQR(5.0/3.8) = 1.147 or just under a 15% gain of fuel flow, we’re now looking at 6 bar of fuel pressure at 1.2 bar of boost when using the 5 bar fuel pressure regulator vs. 5 bar of fuel pressure at 1.2 bar of boost when using the 3.8 bar fpr. A loss of 0.2 bar fuel pressure which would be more like using a 4.8 bar vs. 5 bar fuel pressure regulator reducing the gain almost 3% to 12.4% over the 3.8 bar flow rate. For the math nerds and engineers out there that’s SQR((5.0 base – 0.2 loss) / 3.8 base) = 1.1239 or 12.4%. But that’s not considering the lost fuel coming out of the bleed off valve in the tank which will drop the flow increase yet again. Trying to run even higher boost on a 5 bar setup continues to lose ground. While the 5 bar sounds great in theory, in practice with a stock pump, it’s not gaining a whole lot. It is gaining, It does provide a flow increase and can be tuned for more power, but a better way is to bump the fuel injector size up to 60 or 80lbs and maintain the oem fuel pressure to avoid this issue.We can get around this issue like we do with a series’d bosch 044 fuel pump in the engine bay. This takes the pressure and splits it between each pump making the 6.2 bar demand now only 3.1 bar per pump. This also increases the flow of the oem in-tank pump greatly since it’s no longer having to push all that pressure! At only 3.1 bar, it flows substantially more than it would at 6.0 bar, probably 30 to 40%. I don’t have the charts on the factory pump but that would be typical based on flow charts from 044 and other high performance pumps like this one below for an 044 Bosch Fuel pump (Superseded by the 0580 464 200)
The other advantage of the series’d rear pump is you’ll lower the current draw on the front pump. As these cars tend to have issues with the electrical bulkhead overheating, this is a great help by reducing the current draw through the bulkhead thus extending the life of the electrical component and pump. See the current draw decrease from almost 14 amps down to 11 amps in the chart below (6.2 vs. 3.1 bar)
Another issue you’ll run into running high pressure on the single front pump is with the age of the oem accordion lines in the tank feeding the jet pumps you’ll tend to crack or split them. They hold plenty of pressure brand new, but with the current fuels with E10 and other blends it’s making them brittle and cracking them. Running high pressures can cause them to fail prematurely. Using the series’d 044 in the engine bay also helps this issue with the lower pressure requirement of the front pump by dividing the fuel pressure increase between the pumps. Either that or running the larger fuel injectors and maintaining stock fuel pressures.A quick note on a nice difference between the 996 and 997 turbo fuel pressure regulators. With the 997.1TT coming with a dual fuel pump setup, Porsche increased the return flow of the oem fuel pressure regulator. It’s still 3.8 bar, but the return orifice is now 3mm vs. 2mm. This allows a tremendous increase in return flow on high flow fuel systems. This will negate the high fuel pressure many see at idle and light throttle conditions due to the restrictive return orifice in the stock 996 turbo fuel pressure regulator.The moral of this story is while raising the fuel pressure does increase the fuel flow and potential power to the engine, it doesn’t come without a cost and there are better ways to do it. For a quick upgrade, the 5 bar regulators are great. For a little more, you should consider upgrading the injectors and leaving the stock fpr in place.
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I have a slow burner project 996 Turbo that some time ago I removed the engine due to a knocking noise which would come and go at idle, and disappear once some revs were applied. I didn't have the confidence to tear it apart and rebuild the engine at the time so gave it to a friend who builds race engines for a living, and has a lot of experience building 911 Cup car engines. The knocking sound was believed to be due to a slightly stretched timing chain and worn chain guides. Once back in the car and running, I had the issue you describe perfectly in the video in that when driving, it wouldn't rev past 3k and record multiple misfires. I spent hours searching for the issue before someone on the 911uk forum suggested your video. After posting my comment, I have managed to see that the gasket on Bank 1 (our passenger side) did in fact have the stamped letters and numbers facing outwards, but showing for cylinders 4-6!! With the engine still in the car, I just can't get to see the gasket orientation for Bank 2 (not that it really matters now), so I removed the intercooler, lowered the engine and removed the actuator, and it's pretty clear that I can see the gasket rather than the end of the oil gallery. It seems that supplying the builder with just the block meant he went into GT3 mode, as those gaskets are not handed. Anyway, I just wanted to express my huge gratitude, as without your video, I would have been chasing the issue round and potentially ending up spending a lot of money on diagnostics trying to locate the issue. So, engine out, and back to the builder to rectify. Thanks again,Posted on Nick Kalashnik Great people! They really know their stuff.Posted on Dmitriy Todd tuned my 2007 911 Turbo (997.1 Mezger) with a focus on safety—minimizing knock and being gentle on the stock rods. Power gains were secondary, but the results exceeded expectations. Knock is virtually eliminated compared to the OEM tune, making it significantly safer, and the car feels like a rocket. Amazing work.Posted on Valenchino L I've been with Protomotive (Todd) for over 17 year, he has tuned a few of my 911 turbos and helped me along the way. i cant say enought good things about him, LETS JUST SAY HE'S ONE OF THE BEST AMONG A FEW . Richard LimPosted on Greg Mullins Todd and the Protomotive team are simply the best. In 2009 we installed K24/18G turbos, injectors and tune on my 996T. 16 years and 65K miles since upgrades and the car is still running strong at 137K total mileage on the original engine. This past week I was fortunate to visit Protomotive to pick up my welded coolant pipes. The welds are incredible. Todd was very gracious with his time and provided a full shop tour including in house CNC machine shop, hub chassis dyno and engine dyno cell. His knowledge of modifying and tuning Porsche turbo cars is unparalleled and the quality of Protomotive custom parts is simply incredible. Whether you want a "mild" 575-600 hp car like mine or a 1500 WHP monster, Protomotive is the place.Posted on Scott Studer Working with Todd / Protomotive has been a spectacular experience!! We recently purchased a 2001 911 Turbo that My Wife and I would like to drive on track. Our goal was to have "two maps" so that both a New / more experienced driver can share the same car. We were able to get on track last weekend and it was All SMILES. Todd's level of expertise / willingness to help is unparalleled. Thanks TODD!!Posted on AJ Konkol I can't say enough great things about Todd and Protomotive! 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